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de **mjben** » Jeu 14 Sep, 2006 à 18:46:54

Bonjour,

Je réalise la vente d'un objet sur ebay cet après midi même.
Quelques instants après, un acheteur potentiel me pose la question suivante:

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Dear Sir,
Hope you are well!
We are a wholesale company in China on operating electrnic Products. In order to have a further development,we hope coperating with you. We can offer you original and new products with lower price. The more you want,the lower price we can offer. If you have any interesting about our products,you can visite our website and contack us to start the new bussiness.
Best regards!

Yours? truly
Website : http://www.buysz.com
E-mail :
MSN:
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Etant curieux de nature, je vais voirl e site http://www.buysz.com qu'il propose... et je vois des appareils électroniques à des prix défiant toute
concurrence!

Je le contacte au cas ou sur MSN pour lui tirer les vers du nez, et voici les moments importants de la conversation:

' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long how do I pay?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ if you want fast,you can pay by westenr union
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long and.. how come you can have such low prices?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ they are made in china
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long what about the warranty?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ international guarantee
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long but since you're sending me as a "gift"
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long I do not have any "sale ticket"
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long proving that I bought it somewhere
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ we will give you the invoice
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long and the invoice will be signed of which store?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ yes
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long no
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long what will be the store who will sign the invoice?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long "buysz.com"??
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ chunhonchen
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long chunhonchen?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long never heard about it
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ this in only who sign it
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long and it actually is a chinese store?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long (sorry if I bother you with my questions)
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ yes,real
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long I'd like to talk back about the payment
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long you told me western union, but what are the other ones?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long a bank transfer payment is possible?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long a check?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long paypal?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ bank transfer ok
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long that it to say, you give me your account number and then I transfer it
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Details for bank transfer: BANK'S NAME: BANK OF CHINA BEIJING HAIDIAN BEIDA SUB-OFFICE BANK'S ADD:1st ,212Lou,Shijidongfang Jiayuan,Nanmofang Xiang Louzizhuang,Beijing China SWIFT CODE: BKCHCNBJ110 BENEFICIARY'S NAME:Chunhong Chen(Chen is the last name) ACCOUNT NO.:4105100-0188-000854-3 Coordinate IBAN:410510001880008543
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long once the transfer is OK, you send me the object?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ yes
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long and what guarantee do I have that you actually send me the object?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long how can I be sure?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ you have our information
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long that's why I'd rather prefer to pay by paypal
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ i see
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long is that possible?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ what
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long to pay by paypal
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ no
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long why not
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ it waste us too long time
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ so we don't accept it
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long but do you realize that I do not have any informations about you except your bank account ?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ the information of the bank are true
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long they are true OK but what do I do if I pay and then you do not send me the object?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ we have to use the id card to make the bank account
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long oups sorry
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long but what do I do if I pay and then you do not send me the object? You're not even a "legal" company
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long ??
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long I need an answer
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ what
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long what do I do if I pay and then you do not send me the object? because you are not a legal company, are you
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long ?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ why you say we are not a legal company
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long OK, tell me which is your company
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ i have told you
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long could you please tell me back, I'm not sure
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ chunhongchen
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ co,.ltd
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long but you told me chunghongchen was just the store that would sign the invoice
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ don't the company have no the store?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long sorry?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ like,sony company,,there also have sony store,yes or no
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long yes they have a store
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long but:
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long 1) what is the website of your store
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long 2) why are we dealing with you and not with the store
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ with the company ,no me
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long you mean that I am dealing with your company right now?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long and that buysz.com is the website of chunghongchen?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ yes
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long so, why in "contact us" there is absolutely no mention of "your company" chunghongchen?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long could you explain me this?
long ' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ only not mentioned it
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long why not
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long every "serious" site mentions it
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long no?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long no?
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long ok, no answer
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long I will contact you back
' ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ Benji ҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳ long thank you for your patience

Je voulais avoir votre opinion sur ce site, avant de faire quoi que ce soit... Merci d'avance!

de **mrpochpoch** » Jeu 14 Sep, 2006 à 19:28:15

Paiement par " Western Union " !!! :roll:

de **mjben** » Jeu 14 Sep, 2006 à 22:47:11

c'est ce qui m'a étonné aussi...

Mais le fait qu'il accepte le virement bancaire fait il de lui un vendeur fiable?

de **Almandia** » Ven 15 Sep, 2006 à 20:47:46

C'est probablement (99,99%) de l'arnaque:

1.sur le site web: "copyright 2001-2006", mais le site est crée:
seulement le 22.08.2006

Domain Name:buysz.com
Record last updated at 2006-08-22 22:34:47
Record created on 2006/8/22
Record expired on 2007/8/22

pour une année !!!!

2. l'adresse e-mail est ( email supprime automatiquement) !!! freemailer !!!

3. pas de téléphone !!! Commerce sans téléphone ??? l

4. Il faut également se méfier des virements bancaires, quand il s'agit d'un compte à l'étranger. La police francaise ou allemande n' a pas le droit aux enquêtes en Chine. Il faut des démarches des consulats etc. Ca va durer des mois des années.!! ! Et avec la mentalité chinoise de piraterie de marques, la mafia, pas de chance ... Et en plus , il existe aussi des fausses banques.

5. drôle de conversation avec un "commercant"

6. Et comment vérifier une adresse en Chine ???

Almandia

de **mjben** » Sam 16 Sep, 2006 à 14:12:55

Merci beaucoup de votre réponse, c'est bien ce que je pensais...

de **suivend** » Mar 03 Oct, 2006 à 17:47:47

Bonjour,
Je réponds et j'espère pas trop tard pour dire que ce type est 100 % une arnaque il a réussit à me voler 630 € sur e-bay.

Attention.

Salutation
Dominique

de **looneytunescar** » Sam 21 Oct, 2006 à 12:17:22

bonjour a tous mon probleme est le suivant j'ai trouvez ce site http://www.buysz.com par hazard malheureusement pour moi j'ai effectué une commande pour un portable nokia N72 j'ai donc fait un virement car on pouvais aussi le faire par western union mais j'avais pas confiance en ce mode j'ai donc envoyé 245 euro au total bien entendu je n'ai toujour pas recu le colis le virement a ete effectuer le 6/10/2006 et nous sommes le 21 est depuis 7jours je n'ai plus de nouvelle de lui quelqu'un pourrais t'il me venir en aide quel recour puis-je avoir merci a tous une chose est sur si vous tomber dessus n'acheter pas

de **jacckie.DUSSART** » Mer 01 Nov, 2006 à 22:04:20

J'ai le meme probleme que vous , moi c'est avec un camescope Sony DVD 205 a 160 +30 Euro de shipping, noud devions commander 2 camescopes mais comme c'est une premiere affaire,nous avons voulu le tester, bien sur le paiement a ete fait par western union, ne voulant communiquer min identitie bancaire!!! attention danger. Puis biensur plus de nouvelles, le resultat est une perte generale d'environ 2000Euro, pus des problemes avec PAYPAL et EBAY a ne plus en finir,

de **looneytunescar** » Mer 01 Nov, 2006 à 22:14:23

pour les vendeur sur ebay il faut plus accepter l'envoie vers l'etranger cela limite efficacement les fraudes j'ai porte plainte et on ma repondu par sous entendu qu'il ne peuvent rien faire car la chine ne peut etre atteinte par l'exterieur bref on a tout pour nous

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